The Crooks of the Matter

By Alexander Gofen

This is a lengthy transcript of the polemic between Ambassador Alan Keyes and me posted in the comments field after his article
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/patriots-take-up-the-impeachment-challenge/ . It begins with my comment (in black) followed by his replies (in red). The left column contains the source text by
Ambassador Keyes

The mentioned by you condition of "learned helplessness" in some Americans is also a result of your own line of obfuscation or even disinformation. In many attempts to correct you, I am sorry to repeat it again and again, that the term Impeachment is reserved only for a duly elected official: Not for an abundantly proven identity thief and forger promoted into the highest office unduly and  illegally.

I reject the political/constitutional strategy that you propose also because your strategy assumes living 2 more years with the thief and impostor as though a legal tenant of the office. To live 2 more years with some illusive hopes as though those few newly elected congressmen at least will not be in cahoots with this impostor and this treasonous Congress (in contrast to those elected in 2010 and 2012). This strategy stinks. This strategy is inappropriate even for a banana republic. This strategy is inappropriate for a civility.

By promoting such a strategy, you set the grotesque abnormality of this despicable situation as THE NEW NORMAL (borrowing the expression from a previous WND article)! You are helping to coin in stone the unprecedented hoax and crime of the century, which, if not stopped immediately, can end up in a WWIII and complete financial catastrophe of this nation and the world. 

Even though a good (be it a car or an office) be obtained unlawfully, that does not mean that it cannot be recovered by lawful action.

Obama's Constitutionally questionable occupancy of the White House is a fact that must be dealt with. Given his treacherous intent, and the enormous damage being inflicted on the nation by his policies, simply allowing him to continue occupying the White House for three more years poses an enormous risk to the continued liberty of the American people.

We must act ASAP to mitigate the danger. He and his minions and his collaborators must be removed from the offices they occupy. The Constitution's provisions for impeachment and removal of civil officers of the U.S. government provide the means. But neither the one nor the other will be achieved except by effective political action in the 2014 election. Why? Because the same Congressional forces that refused to respect the Constitution's eligibility requirement have been, and will be willing to ignore his systematic disregard of other Constitutional provisions.

Petitioning these forces to impeach and remove Obama will have no more effect than it did to ask that they acquit their responsibility to respect the eligibility requirement. Therefore, the composition of Congress must be changed. The biennial elections give voters the power to make that change if we organize ourselves effectively to achieve the goal. We must make it clear that we will not vote for anyone who does not pledge to initiate and carry out the Constitutional process for impeachment and removal as their first priority when the next session of Congress convenes. We must make that pledge the sine qua non for anyone who hopes to receive our vote.

The way to achieve "a revolt on Capitol Hill" is at the ballot box. It will do no good to beg our Congressional representatives for favors, as if they are some entrenched nobility whose tenure of office we cannot affect. By doing so we act as if they are what they now fancy themselves to be, a ruling class no longer answerable to the American people.

We can affect their tenure, and end Obama's tenure in the White House, but only by organizing ourselves for the 2014 election with the overriding goal of doing so. Ironically, your response to this challenge is to pretend that shouting, gesticulating, and begging on Capitol Hill will do anything more than affirm that we are helpless unless they act.

Your boldly insulting rhetoric is intended to distract from the fact that, when it comes to Congress, you want people to assume the role of subservient, humble petitioners. But as Americans we have the alternative of acting as members of the sovereign body of the people, which can effectively command Congress, provided that we have not forgotten how to mobilize ourselves as the voting majority needed to change its composition.

One point you make is accurate, however. We must discard what has become our self-destructive allegiance to the present sham party system. But we will not achieve this result by making it our goal. If we mobilize to defend the Constitution from the clear and present danger now threatening it, our common action will forge the basis for a political vehicle based on true representation. And if we successfully achieve the majorities required to impeach and remove the civil officers who have joined the assault on the Constitution, the Congress we elect will have the power to reorganize the U.S. government. In doing so we will set the stage for an election in 2016 in which a new political realignment will be seen to replace the sham party system because it has already done so.

And what is best of all, the new politics of representation will be defined by our renewed commitment to America's constitutional republic and the restoration of the exceptional liberty of the American people. That positive commitment to constitutional liberty will be a basis for united action that lasts far beyond Obama's defeat or any other merely negative goal.

"Obama's Constitutionally questionable occupancy of the White House is a fact that must be dealt with."

Merely questionable? After 5 years still "questionable"? After proven identity theft and forgery of his major docs still merely questionable? YOU MUST BE JOKING!

"Given his treacherous intent, and the enormous damage being inflicted on the nation by his policies, simply allowing him to continue occupying the White House for three more years poses an enormous risk to the continued liberty of the American people."

It is me who keeps saying this all the time. Why do you even bring it here into this discussion?

No, "The Constitution's provisions for impeachment and removal of civil officers of the U.S. government" are not intended for UNDULY usurped office by a proven thief, whose unconstitutionality flew in the face since day one in 2008. You merely REPEAT YOUR FALSE STATEMENT instead of arguing the issues.

Yes, "Impostor and his minions and his collaborators must be removed from the offices they occupy". Yet all you suggest is to wait for two more years for a new "election", while it was exactly the two previous "elections" which placed all the above mentioned traitors into the office!!! Not only do you dare to suggest to wait two more years, but you also suggest the same "method" that has spectacularly failed twice!

Where were you with your bright idea of "just merely electing only the constitutionally minded representatives" in 2008 and 2014? Why didn't you come forward with this already then - instead of pushing us now to wait for two more years?

You are pushing America to ACCEPT the current grotesque illegitimacy of the government as the status quo. You are pushing America to ACCEPT the grotesque criminality of the White House tenant as status quo.

Your suggested method of action against thievery and thieves is ... TO NOT REELECT THE THIEVES NEXT TIME! Where and when has a civil society acted against blatant thievery by merely not reelecting them next time!?

No, it is not my suggestion to beg "the nobility" in the Congress to do something please, as you misrepresent it. My suggestion is to DEMAND THEM MORE AND MORE AGGRESSIVELY (UP TO A REVOLT) to execute the law and to IMMEDIATELY ARREST the thief and impostor NOW! Your suggestion to hope for the 2014 election (if in a good faith) is futile at best - and clearly humiliating for a civil society. However I have reasons even to doubt your good faith, and to regard you actions rather as a mission to obfuscate and postpone this grotesque hoax for two more years so that finally it be accepted, and buried forever.

I propose a Constitutional strategy in line with America's Character and heritage. You want to bring Egyptian style mobocracy to America, which can only serve the purposes of the elitists working to overthrow constitutional self-government. Mobocracy is just a prelude to tyranny. Whether you realize it or not (and I think you do) you are serving the agenda of the would-be tyrants working to overthrow the constitution.

Unlike you, Americans who are true to their heritage of republican liberty do not believe that using their constitutional power of election is futile or humiliating. In fact, the mobocratic approach you espouse, which is characteristic of many other nations, is what humiliates humanity by reducing government to mere force, in one form or another. I am loyal to the American founders' vision of government by deliberation and choice (i.e., election) rather than force and fear. Trusting in God, I pray that Americans still have the intelligence and courage to organize themselves in order to make that vision work, rejecting your mob-democratic delusions.
"I propose a Constitutional strategy in line with America's Character and heritage".

Your "constitutional strategy" is to ACKNOWLEDGE AND PRESERVE the status quo which is grotesquely UNCONSTITUTIONAL in itself. Moreover: You keep avoiding to even mention that the resident of the White House is merely an identity thief, forger, and fraud with unknown names - the facts already obvious for the entire world.

Moreover, you are suggesting your "strategy" for 2014 as thought something new and revealing, while the same goal (to elect constitutionally minded congressmen) was already manifested in 2010 and 2012 - and dramatically failed! Enough to mention such a "constitutional hopeful" as Col. Alan West, who has betrayed everybody's hopes and every demand of its own constituents to raise the issue of ineligibility and thievery of Obama. How can you
insist in a good faith as though your strategy for 2014 can promise anything new and better!??  

"You want to bring Egyptian style mobocracy to America, which can only serve the purposes of the elitists working to overthrow constitutional self-government."

No, I do not want the Egyptian style mobocracy. First thing that I want is to SPEAK OUT THE UGLY TRUTH 24/7 rather than suppress and avoid it, like you do. THE CONSTITUTIONAL SELF-GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY OVERTHROWN SINCE 2008!

"Mobocracy is just a prelude to tyranny. Whether you realize it or not (and I think you do) you are serving the agenda of the would-be tyrants working to overthrow the constitution".

You just keep repeating your demagogy (or lies). The mere fact that we have an usurper, plus a thief and fraud with uncertain identity at the highest position ALREADY MEANS THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS OVERTHROWN.

"Unlike you, Americans who are true to their heritage of republican liberty do not believe that using their constitutional power of election is futile or humiliating."

Again, it is just a demagogy. In 2008 and (2010) and in 2012 the "elections" already took place in the conditions that an usurper, thief and fraud was allowed to unconstitutionally and unlawfully campaign, and then be elected - without any organized opposition, and with massive suppression of any attempts to speak out about his illegitimacy. Yes, such an "election" is both futile and humiliating, no different from an "election" of comrade Brezhnev (in the former USSR).  

"In fact, the mobocratic approach you espouse, which is characteristic of many other nations, is what humiliates humanity by reducing government to mere force, in one form or another."

You misrepresent my approach. To speak out the truth and to ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW BY WE THE PEOPLE is the approach I espouse.

"I am loyal to the American founders' vision of government by deliberation and choice (i.e., election) rather than force and fear."

No, you are not loyal to American founders at all, because you accept the gross (and grotesque) violation of the US Law and Constitution as a status quo, allowing the hoax and the crime of the century to progress (and to incur even more catastrophic damages).

"Trusting in God, I pray that Americans still have the intelligence and courage to organize themselves in order to make that vision work, rejecting your mob-democratic delusions."

Your vision means recognition and cooperation with the unconstitutional and criminal government. Your vision means giving this criminal government (at least) two more years to continue their destruction. In your articles you keep suppressing the truth, keep offering an erroneous term (impeachment) and therefore an unattainable goal.

Your strategy presented as though something new is in fact an old news, just a policy of postponement and delays until finally the truth is buried. You are deflecting attempts to speak out the truth, to address it and act upon it into the wrong direction.

That is your strategy.
Further thoughts:

Since you refuse to go to my website and read into what I have proposed, I have to doubt your sincerity. I conclude that your attacks are a polemical ploy. The real hope of saving America's constitutional liberty (the only form of democratic self-government that has actually avoided the self-destructive pitfalls of democracy) is for the American people to take back control of the political process, replacing the politics of Godless elitist ambition with a vehicle for citizenship that respects the God-acknowledging principles our liberty is founded upon. You pretend to see the need for this, but your willingness to distract people with street-mob venting and gesticulation belies the pretense.

I propose a political objective for the 2014 elections that would activate the people's constitutional ability to impeach and remove from positions of power in the U.S. government the forces working to overthrow the Constitution. That's the real and proper way to achieve the wholesale change on Capitol Hill I believe you are only pretending to seek. By achieving it the right way the people a) prove that they still have the ability to control America's politics without relying on the elitist forces that now control the major parties; and b) do so in a way that restores and strengthens the authority of the Constitution.
Everything you emphasize involves gestures that would have no effect on the composition of Congress. You would leave the control of Congress and America's political process unaffected, with the American people in the position of supplicants who must either accept the chains being forged for them or else plunge the nation into civil disorder that would allow the elitist forces to achieve their goal of dissolving the United States.
But you already know all this, I think.
Enough said.
"Since you refuse to go to my website and read into what I have proposed, I have to doubt your sincerity"  -  ???

I have not refused to go to your site (or any site!) merely because you have never advised me to do it before, nor have you explicitly mentioned even its URL. Moreover, we are discussing your article as it is published here at WND. 

OK. Now I extracted the link from your e-mail and followed the article that you supposedly mean. Except adding a few historic analogies, it promotes the same ideas as in your Web article: To look for even more future contenders for one more future election (2014) with the hope that those newly elected will finally impeach all the illegal and criminal office tenants in 2015, or later (or rather never!) That's exactly what in your article and what I have already rebuffed point by point.

After the fatal and infamous 2008, we had already two more elections: in 2010 and 2012. Why did not your proposition succeed then? What will be essentially new in 2014 that was not in 2010 and 2012?

Moreover, why do you avoid addressing my objection to your inappropriate usage of the term Impeachment? By definition (legal dictionary), 

Impeachment is a process that is used to charge, try, and remove public officials for misconduct while in office.  

The crux of the matter here is the term "officials in office", presumed to be LEGAL officials being in office LEGALLY. However thousands of patriots have already pointed it out, that Obama/Soetoro took the office unconstitutionally and illegally from the very beginning in 2008. Moreover, the later findings uncovered that even his names are not certain, that his papers are forged, that he stole his Social Security number - all that making his office illegal even more. And all that mess lasts already 5 yeas.

Your insistence on the term Impeachment LEGITIMIZES this illegal office, and pushes us into a proved unproductive direction, which already failed in 2010 and 2012. America turned into a laughing stock of the world being ruled during 5 ugly years by a proven thief and impostor, yet still consumed in polemics on legal intricacies of how to arrest and remove him.


"I conclude that your attacks are a polemical ploy".

Your conclusion is baseless, and you keep avoiding to address particular issues of my rebuttal.  

"The real hope of saving America's constitutional liberty (the only form of democratic self-government that has actually avoided the self-destructive pitfalls of democracy) is for the American people to take back control of the political process, replacing the politics of Godless elitist ambition with a vehicle for citizenship that respects the God-acknowledging principles our liberty is founded upon. You pretend to see the need for this, but your willingness to distract people with street-mob venting and gesticulation belies the pretense."

You just keep repeating your generalities as though not seeing the ugly reality. As I have proved above and earlier, your suggestion already failed in 2010 and 2012. Therefore it is you who distracts people and obfuscates the reality: To obfuscates the reality so much, that you too (together with the establishment) maintain a taboo on the illegitimacy and thievery of this presidency - instead of shouting it 24/7 from every rooftop.

"I propose a political objective for the 2014 elections that would activate the people's constitutional ability to impeach and remove from positions of power in the U.S. government the forces working to overthrow the Constitution. That's the real and proper way to achieve the wholesale change on Capitol Hill I believe you are only pretending to seek."

The same political declaration existed already in 2010 and 2012. However it appeared to be merely a declaration. Up to this very moment we have not one congressman who fulfills the constitutional duty to RAISE AND PURSUE the issue of thievery and ineligibility of the impostor in the Congress.

"By achieving it the right way the people

a) prove that they still have the ability to control America's politics without relying on the elitist forces that now control the major parties; and

b) do so in a way that restores and strengthens the authority of the Constitution."

The 2008, 2010, 2012 demonstrated that your declaration above is merely a declaration.

"Everything you emphasize involves gestures that would have no effect on the composition of Congress."

To change the composition of the Congress may be possible only in 2014 - if to give it much hope at all after the 2010, 2012 failures. It is shameful to wait two more years (after the already passed 5). It is shameful to allow the sitting congressmen to evade their constitutional duty! THEY ARE THE CROOKS OF THE MATTER.

"You would leave the control of Congress and America's political process unaffected,"

Wrong! I am suggesting to affect the congressmen right now - rather than to wait for replication of the 2010, 2012 failures in 2014. 

"with the American people in the position of supplicants who must either accept the chains being forged for them or else plunge the nation into civil disorder that would allow the elitist forces to achieve their goal of dissolving the United States."

According to your actions and writings, I suspect that you too are a part of the forces having the goal of dissolving the United States, sorry. 


September 15, 2013